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The Journal Gazette

Sunday, June 04, 2017 1:00 am

Leadership, management not the same thing

LISA GREEN | The Journal Gazette

Leadership requires vision. Managing requires disciplines.

The skill sets sometimes overlap, but often the differences are overlooked, says Mary Legakis Engel, one of the experts interviewed for a “Crack the Leadership Code” podcast released last week.

Engel, a CEO and certified coach, said people often have expectations of managers that go unfulfilled and then label the individuals poor leaders.

Leadership is about developing vision and organizing resources around that. It's about providing the re­sources needed to deliver and potentially removing barriers. Charisma isn't even required, said Engel, who is based on Ontario, Canada.

Management requires more of the disciplines to help ensure that people are getting the job done, such as regular check-up meetings that reinforce accountability.

Complaints about leadership usually surface when people feel they aren't motivated or don't have adequate resources. You can also expect grumbling when there's a perception that people aren't held accountable, decisions aren't getting made and meetings are unproductive. Those are management issues, said Engel, managing director and co-founder of the Global Women's Leadership Summit and CEO of The Management Coach.

Engel believes people should understand the job of managing before trying to be a leader. She admires those undertaking the challenges.

“Anybody who agrees to be a manager is a saint, because there are a lot of really tough people in the world, and if you can agree to manage them, I bow my head to you,” Engel said.

The interview featuring Engel was part of a more-than-two-week daily series of podcasts from Michelle Pizer, an executive coach and organizational psychologist based in Melbourne, Australia. This is the fourth consecutive year Pizer has offered the leadership training. I'll be sharing some of the highlights this month.

One of the first interviews in the email series, which started in late May, was with Marshall Goldsmith, an executive coach and New York Times best-selling author whose more than 30 books include “What Got You Here Won't Get You There.” The Marshall Goldsmith Group is based in Rancho Santa Fe, California.

Goldsmith advocates structure, such as monthly meetings that leaders can facilitate to help increase the effectiveness of those in an organization. Meetings can help clarify roles and alignment. Discussion points for the coaching sessions can include:

• Where are we going? The leader can provide vision but can also ask the person they're leading where they see themselves going.

• Doing well. Another topic that can provide opportunity for perspective from both sides on what an individual is doing well.

• Ideas for the future. This provides an opportunity for the leader to again cast vision and discuss potential.

• How can I – the leader – help?

• What ideas do you have? This is the opportunity for the leader to gain some feedback or constructive criticism, with a willingness to acknowledge they are trying to get better, too.

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